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	<title>Comments on: Vancouver Electric Trolley, Unearthed</title>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
		<link>http://vancouver.metblogs.com/2006/10/29/vancouver-electric-trolley-unearthed/comment-page-1/#comment-1797</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 18:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also of note a couple of years ago when the City was replacing either water mains or sewer mains under Granville Street (in South Granville near 12th Ave.), they came upon the foundation for streetcar tracks - a thick pad of concrete (I seem to recall 18 inches or 24 inches thick) for the trackbed. Due to the high cost of removing the concrete, the City deferred the replacement of the mains along that stretch of roadway. 

This also indicates the reasons why in-street Light Rail Transit is not as cheap to construct as some people make it out to be - any existing infrastructure (sewer, water, gas, hydro, telephone, cable, data) under the proposed trackbed must be relocated away from right-of-way to allow future maintenance and repair of the infrastructure (i.e. you can&#039;t shut down the transit system to repair a broken water main or phone line).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also of note a couple of years ago when the City was replacing either water mains or sewer mains under Granville Street (in South Granville near 12th Ave.), they came upon the foundation for streetcar tracks &#8211; a thick pad of concrete (I seem to recall 18 inches or 24 inches thick) for the trackbed. Due to the high cost of removing the concrete, the City deferred the replacement of the mains along that stretch of roadway. </p>
<p>This also indicates the reasons why in-street Light Rail Transit is not as cheap to construct as some people make it out to be &#8211; any existing infrastructure (sewer, water, gas, hydro, telephone, cable, data) under the proposed trackbed must be relocated away from right-of-way to allow future maintenance and repair of the infrastructure (i.e. you can&#8217;t shut down the transit system to repair a broken water main or phone line).</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
		<link>http://vancouver.metblogs.com/2006/10/29/vancouver-electric-trolley-unearthed/comment-page-1/#comment-1796</link>
		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 18:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow, thanks for the info, great discussion!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow, thanks for the info, great discussion!</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 18:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember that Vancouver had two separate electric railway systems.  

One was a streetcar system in the roadway and the other was the interurban system which was largely in its own right-of-way (city to city express service more or less).  The streetcar system used smaller vehicles, while the interurban system used larger vehicles.  If there were track on Kingsway (in the roadway) they would have been streetcar tracks rather than interurban tracks.  The Map 1 linked to above appears to show a streetcar line branching at Fraser &amp; Kingsway, presumably the Kingsway branch went a few blocks further east to Knight Street.

The City&#039;s Kensington Cedar Cottage committee noted the possibility of streetcar tracks in the median along Kingsway (mind you the City could be wrong):

&quot;•  Concern was raised regarding the option of constructing a median with trees along Kingsway at Knight, given the possibility of buried street car tracks and the prohibitive cost of removing them to construct a median. Other possibilities for greening the median were suggested that may not require the removal of the street car tracks.&quot;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.city.vancouver.bc.ca/COMMSVCS/planning/cityplan/Visions/kcc/meetings/03nov6.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.city.vancouver.bc.ca/COMMSVCS/planning/cityplan/Visions/kcc/meetings/03nov6.htm&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember that Vancouver had two separate electric railway systems.  </p>
<p>One was a streetcar system in the roadway and the other was the interurban system which was largely in its own right-of-way (city to city express service more or less).  The streetcar system used smaller vehicles, while the interurban system used larger vehicles.  If there were track on Kingsway (in the roadway) they would have been streetcar tracks rather than interurban tracks.  The Map 1 linked to above appears to show a streetcar line branching at Fraser &amp; Kingsway, presumably the Kingsway branch went a few blocks further east to Knight Street.</p>
<p>The City&#8217;s Kensington Cedar Cottage committee noted the possibility of streetcar tracks in the median along Kingsway (mind you the City could be wrong):</p>
<p>&#8220;•  Concern was raised regarding the option of constructing a median with trees along Kingsway at Knight, given the possibility of buried street car tracks and the prohibitive cost of removing them to construct a median. Other possibilities for greening the median were suggested that may not require the removal of the street car tracks.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.city.vancouver.bc.ca/COMMSVCS/planning/cityplan/Visions/kcc/meetings/03nov6.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.city.vancouver.bc.ca/COMMSVCS/planning/cityplan/Visions/kcc/meetings/03nov6.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 05:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The SkyTrain Expo line generally follows the old inter-urban right of way.  That is why it cuts through some residential and commercial areas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The SkyTrain Expo line generally follows the old inter-urban right of way.  That is why it cuts through some residential and commercial areas.</p>
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		<title>By: Wrenkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wrenkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2006 17:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I liked how the reporter referred to it as some sort of &quot;old-timey&quot; technology, when Toronto is still building streetcar lines. Sure, its interurbans (which also extended for ridiculous distances) are long gone, but they&#039;re talking about putting more tracks down by the waterfront, and they&#039;re pouring $100 million into refurbishing the St. Clair line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked how the reporter referred to it as some sort of &#8220;old-timey&#8221; technology, when Toronto is still building streetcar lines. Sure, its interurbans (which also extended for ridiculous distances) are long gone, but they&#8217;re talking about putting more tracks down by the waterfront, and they&#8217;re pouring $100 million into refurbishing the St. Clair line.</p>
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